tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post8774191404424448104..comments2023-04-16T11:45:17.615-04:00Comments on Searching for Penelope Stout: Penelope Prince, a runaway from Kent Island, Maryland?jimmcfarlanehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17548833533796822949noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-78159816791841484592017-02-27T19:57:56.846-05:002017-02-27T19:57:56.846-05:00New Amsterdam wasn't settled until 1624, so th...New Amsterdam wasn't settled until 1624, so that 1620 date in the History of the Baptists is obvious hooey. Anandakoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15397105362372268883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-29256380329949549362017-02-27T04:13:33.764-05:002017-02-27T04:13:33.764-05:00My mother's maiden name was Stout. Not sure wh...My mother's maiden name was Stout. Not sure what generation I am. She used to tell me the story of Penelope when I was a young child. I was told the Dutch version of the story and that there was a book in the 5th ave library that had the hisory. Anyone know what that book might be? My mother lived on Staten Island as a child and I was raised in NYC. My question is, why would a Dutch princess travel to the new world? Something odd here? Makes perfect sense that an indentured servant with nothing would take the chance. Any thoughts? CheersAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09504851763471143992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-31682273465284470782015-07-31T05:34:30.888-04:002015-07-31T05:34:30.888-04:00try van princen, not van princess. I am a 10th gen...try van princen, not van princess. I am a 10th generation Stout. I have lived in New Jersey all my life. my late uncle Ernest was the official historian and I believe that Adm. Elmer Stout wrote a comprehensive book that was the definitive Stout family tree.Veritashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17583960034178699134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-53531402831826598522014-12-08T12:24:10.347-05:002014-12-08T12:24:10.347-05:00Hi Nora,
Please tell us everything. There are so m...Hi Nora,<br />Please tell us everything. There are so many unanswered questions.<br /><br />Jimjimmcfarlanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17548833533796822949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-7609237058111744342014-12-08T10:54:58.059-05:002014-12-08T10:54:58.059-05:00Hello... and wow, great blog! Jim: I'd be g...Hello... and wow, great blog! Jim: I'd be glad to answer any questions about the research that I did about Penelope, and the conclusions I drew (and the questions that I was unable to resolve). Nora JamesAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16054050965524180457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-53573358800577176622013-12-25T01:53:10.557-05:002013-12-25T01:53:10.557-05:00My theory was that Penelope was born in Holland to...My theory was that Penelope was born in Holland to separatist parents that fled England to Holland like many of them did in that era. I came to that idea because of her Anabaptist faith. I believe she married a man by the name of Van Princess and they left for the Dutch colony when Holland became less religiously tolerant. Her husband died in the attack and she married Richard. I think she would have known to speak English from her English parents and that helped suit her to her new English husband ie. Richard. The Anabaptist movement was very small at that time and has roots in England and then Holland when it became unsafe to remain in England. To be very clear, this is my own idea and I have no proof that it happened this way. I think the Maryland Penelope Prince is possible but if she had fled and needed to hide her identity why not make a more drastic name change? Penelope Prince is not far enough removed from Penelope Van Princess to fool many people in a time when women in the New World were few.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-19082570324223765172013-12-24T17:07:56.304-05:002013-12-24T17:07:56.304-05:00I found the article. It is in a pile of newspaper ...I found the article. It is in a pile of newspaper clippings that were all taken from the keyport weekly in the years 1931 and 1932. Sadly I can't get you any closer in date that that. The article does mention that Richard lived to 103Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-54963266959708514552013-12-24T14:29:25.433-05:002013-12-24T14:29:25.433-05:00If I find that article I can get the precise date....If I find that article I can get the precise date. I think the bayshore independent owns the rights to the old keyport weekly but who knows. They stopped in the 1970s. The Leonards are related to the Stouts in my line. They are the family that Leonardo N.J. is named for as they were in that area. Leonardo is near Atlantic Highlands which is near Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook is directly across the water from where the Hudson river empties into the upper bay. Before the new channel was dredged all shipping into New York had to pass near the Hook.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-61066973931533468902013-12-24T14:14:15.420-05:002013-12-24T14:14:15.420-05:00I can't see enough of Thomas H. Leonard's ...I can't see enough of Thomas H. Leonard's From Indian Trails to Electric Rails on Google Books to be sure of its origin but the mention of 1620 as the shipwreck date implies Benedict's History of the Baptists again.<br /><br />Tracking down the Newport Weekly newspaper for an unknown date in the 1930s will be a challenge.jimmcfarlanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17548833533796822949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-13213940968374196512013-12-24T13:47:46.247-05:002013-12-24T13:47:46.247-05:00The account in Gustav Kobbe's New Jersey Coast...The account in Gustav Kobbe's New Jersey Coast and Pines (1889) ( see http://www.unz.org/Pub/KobbeGustav-1889 ) is obviously take from the account in Benedict's History of the Baptists. jimmcfarlanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17548833533796822949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-73354039063307480632013-12-24T13:41:23.799-05:002013-12-24T13:41:23.799-05:00Another valuable resource is "historical and ...Another valuable resource is "historical and genealogical miscellany" by stillwell. This is a four volume set printed in 1914Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-10526079669387393652013-12-24T10:59:06.531-05:002013-12-24T10:59:06.531-05:00Two books that have a printed version of the accou...Two books that have a printed version of the account are kobbe's jersey coast and pines and from indian trails to electric rails. I don't know if they draw from accounts that you are already aware of or not but. Also a defunct newspaper called the keyport weekly from keyport n.j. also printed an account of the story in the early twentieth century. If I remember right it was in the 1930s they ran the article. Again not sure where they drew from. I would have to go back and find these in the family archives but I seem to remember the newspaper story drew from a particular oral source they mentioned in the story. I can't remember now though. It has been twenty years since I have looked at them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-18197613751927180252013-12-24T10:00:42.300-05:002013-12-24T10:00:42.300-05:00I detect the following differences between your or...I detect the following differences between your oral traditions and the early written accounts:<br />survivors swam ashore<br />Penelope survived off of moss, grubs, and rain water<br />ten days before two indians found her<br />Richard met Penelope among the Indians<br />Richard lived to 103<br /><br />Interesting details. Thanks.jimmcfarlanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17548833533796822949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-70471788909483396602013-12-23T18:24:44.959-05:002013-12-23T18:24:44.959-05:00I did forget to add that the oral story always mai...I did forget to add that the oral story always maintained that Penelope was dutch born. I had dismissed that myself in recent years, but nevertheless the story was that she was Dutch and not English.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-34194549765233417972013-12-23T17:53:11.643-05:002013-12-23T17:53:11.643-05:00The oral tradition matches closely to the early wr...The oral tradition matches closely to the early written accounts. Probably because they came from our family to begin with. They included the details that she had a husband prior to Richard that she travelled aboard ship with. The identity of him has always been unclear which also makes unclear if Van Princess was a maiden name or first marriage name. Whatever the case the name handed down was definitely Van Princess. The shipwreck occurred off of Sandy Hook N.J. below beacon hill where the twin lights of Navesink stand today. The survivors of the wreck swam ashore and travelled by foot to New Amsterdam. Penelope stayed behind with her husband because he was ill. The story also included the detail that he was ill aboard ship prior to the wreck. Once left alone they were both attacked, he was killed and she was left for dead. She managed to crawl into a hollow tree and survived off of moss, grubs, and rain water. She had a severe gash in her stomach and was said to have held her intestines in with her hand. She stayed in that state for ten days before two indians found her. A young indian and an older male indian. The younger wanted to finish her off to end her misery but the older indian wanted to try to heal her. It was said he was impressed by her will to survive. She was brought back to the Indian community and nursed back to health. Her scars and injuries were visible for the rest of her life. How she met Richard was never too clear but the story told is that he met her there among the Indian community and not in New Amsterdam. The story ends with she lived to be 110 and Richard lived to 103 and they had ten children and she had 502 "living" descendants at her death. Her last residence was in what is now Holmdel N.J. The house was still standing until about 10 years ago, but was bulldozed by developers in the dead of night because it was a protected historic landmark.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-45278501019920677572013-12-22T20:56:44.671-05:002013-12-22T20:56:44.671-05:00I am interested to know what has been passed down ...I am interested to know what has been passed down orally in your family and see how it compares to what has been published since 1765.jimmcfarlanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17548833533796822949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-20642148576153069672013-12-22T15:24:00.490-05:002013-12-22T15:24:00.490-05:00I have posted anonymously because I am not to fami...I have posted anonymously because I am not to familiar with how to do this and that is a path that worked. That said I am directly descended from Richard and Penelope in the line of their eldest son John. I was born and raised in Monmouth county as was all the generation of Stout's after John. The possibility of Penelope coming from this Maryland colony is interesting. It could very well be true. I am going to take issue with the notion that Penelope's ship was wrecked anywhere other than Sandy Hook New Jersey. I have seen on the internet where this has been said to be unlikely. It would take some serious proof to change my mind on this since that particular detail has been passed down orally in my line as truth for nearly 400 years. Someday I plan to pour through our family records to see what else I can find that has never been brought to light outside of our family line before, however this will be a monumental taskAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-80661772527049584182013-06-03T11:18:43.132-04:002013-06-03T11:18:43.132-04:00Of course there could be two Penelope Princes. But...Of course there could be two Penelope Princes. But if a person with a rare name runs away in one colony and a peson of the same name and age suddenly appears two years later in another colony, it makes one wonder. Especially if the person who suddenly appears claims a history that cannot be verified.jimmcfarlanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17548833533796822949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-46540285529112805022013-06-03T11:00:18.413-04:002013-06-03T11:00:18.413-04:00(Just checked our tree...It was Penelope's son...(Just checked our tree...It was Penelope's son Richard Stout who had the daughter Penelope who married Henry Falkinburg, Jr...)<br />Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10397618780347234868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-21191338772175899602013-06-03T09:58:46.757-04:002013-06-03T09:58:46.757-04:00Hello...love the story of Penelope Van Princess (S...Hello...love the story of Penelope Van Princess (Stout)...very basically...cant there be more than one person with the name Penelope Prince? There are also many different Nicholas Stillwells. There is Nicholas STillwell of Cape May County, NJ whose daughters Rebecca & Sarah defended the nation during the Rev by firing their canon into the bay to scare off the brits...there is also the Nicolas Stillwell of Long Island.. Sometimes...truth is even stranger than fiction. Would love to read your book. Gotta love the stamina and perseverance of our ancestors. In our tree Penelope Stout from NJ's daughter Penelope Stout married Henry Falkinburg, Jr. Warm regards...Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10397618780347234868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-45854610143252872672013-01-03T14:19:50.069-05:002013-01-03T14:19:50.069-05:00Fascinating, simply fascinating Jim! Remember the...Fascinating, simply fascinating Jim! Remember the old Leonard Nimoy show called "In Search Of...?" Looks like this is a new segment. Those excerpts from the Maryland records are compelling.....simply because all the names associated with the Penelope Stout legend are there and the time periods are all about the same. Good work! Great work!GizaCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03041406206124941238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1672157747221539812.post-6116279662903560732012-12-29T21:25:59.309-05:002012-12-29T21:25:59.309-05:00The Maryland Historical Magazine, Baltimore: 1913,...The Maryland Historical Magazine, Baltimore: 1913, vol. 8 has this paragraph on page 56:<br /><br />20 No. 1649. Capt Robrt Vaughan demanded 100 Acres of land for transporting Willm. Loader a Manservant into the Province in the yeare 1642 and 100 acres for transproting James Courtney another Manservant in Anno 1638 and 100 Acres for transproting James Atkinson another Manservant in Anno 1648 and 200 Acres more for transporting 4 women servants into this Province viz: ffrancis Woolhouse in Anno 1640 Penelope Prince in Anno 1644 Mary ffield in Anno 1644 and ffranis Pinke in Anno 1646.<br />Warrant to the Surveyor to lay out for Capt Robert Vauhghan 500 Acres of land at Parsons Point and Poplar Neck on the easterne side of he Isle of Kent.Jim McFarlanehttp://www.jim-mcfarlane.comnoreply@blogger.com